Curse

arsie · Feb 03, 2008, 06:18 PM // 18:18

I was doing Assault on the Stronghold for NM book farming earlier when I was getting beat up quite badly by the Charr outside the stronghold. Usually I just stroll through this.

The NPC Charr lost repeatedly and the Devourers were getting killed. Once inside, I realised that the Charr had defeated the Destroyers on right flank. Usually they lose over there.

Everything also felt like it was happening much faster, maybe a little lag. Anyone else notice?

The only thing I can find that might explain any of this in the Jan 31 update is this: Charr Bladestorms found in Guild Wars: Eye of the North now wield swords instead of axes to match their equipped skills.

They are hitting me with Hundred Blades, which I never noticed before. I always thought the Charr areas were way easier than the Asura areas, maybe the fact that Bladestorms were walking around with sword bars and wielding axes had something to do with it. Well, they fixed that bit.

Caught me by surprised, no longer quite a stroll in the park.

Kashrlyyk · Feb 03, 2008, 06:23 PM // 18:23

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Originally Posted by arsie

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The NPC Charr lost repeatedly and the Devourers were getting killed. Once inside, I realised that the Charr had defeated the Destroyers on right flank. Usually they lose over there.....

Yep, noticed that too.

Destro Maniak · Feb 03, 2008, 06:27 PM // 18:27

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block lifebond for use. when 2 groups at sides are done, deal with the others and as soon as saurus comes in battle life bond him. Have mhenlo and livia and the monk hero and a healer of your choice. I use signet of lost sould healer. Dont fight anyone just try to survive there until gate is broken. When its broken charge in. AEGIS HELPES! Consider bringing them with 2 heroes as itll be cool to have %50 block

Operative 14 · Feb 03, 2008, 06:41 PM // 18:41

I noticed this as well. I've been trying to do it lately with my Ranger, and it seems like it's a lot harder than when I was doing it with my Derv.

Makes me think I might need to get a group of people...

KANE OG · Feb 03, 2008, 06:58 PM // 18:58

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VitisVinifera · Feb 03, 2008, 06:59 PM // 18:59

news flash: they got secondaries

enter_the_zone · Feb 03, 2008, 07:08 PM // 19:08

They also changed it so that the Charr are using the correct weapons, apparently they weren't previously

Steboy93 · Feb 03, 2008, 07:16 PM // 19:16

It doesn't seem much harder imo

chowmein69 · Feb 03, 2008, 07:34 PM // 19:34

havent noticed this , they seem to still be the same

I pwnd U · Feb 03, 2008, 07:37 PM // 19:37

Nope, I haven't noticed that. I have always gotten different results on that one before. I normally see the Destroyers win but occasinally the Charr have won out whenever the boss goes to that side. It happens.

Balan Makki · Feb 03, 2008, 07:54 PM // 19:54

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Originally Posted by enter_the_zone

They also changed it so that the Charr are using the correct weapons, apparently they weren't previously

Yeah, the Bladestorms did feel rather whimpy the first times through.. Glad they'll actually be a challenge next time. Though I just ignore them, and spawn dozens of minions up the ledge to kill all the archers.

jezz · Feb 03, 2008, 07:55 PM // 19:55

i helped out a guildie recently with Assault on Stronghold..and i had noticed charr were still standing and no destroyer in sight.
the destroyers were wiped no sign of them..
before that run i use to finish off destroyers not charr to complete mission.

but in saying that i didnt think charr were any more difficult than usual.

Snow Bunny · Feb 03, 2008, 08:25 PM // 20:25

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Originally Posted by VitisVinifera

news flash: they got secondaries

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Phoenix Tears · Feb 03, 2008, 08:37 PM // 20:37

theoretically they aren't ..practically they are, due to the change of the weaopn changed also the damage power they have slightly.

Due to the change from axes to sword weilding now, those charrs deal now lesser max damage, but more than double of their previous average damage per hit and they attack with swords faster, than with axes.

6-28 , little bit slower ASPD then Swords with their 15-22... due to this charr are the Blade Storms now possible to dish out more average damage/minute, thus making them more dangerous against the Destroyers and i think ,thats the reason why they are now able to win also too the fight against them...

But I've 1 question: have you seen this change now more then once, do now ever win the charr ? or is the fight now more like a 50/50 Chance ?

MagmaRed · Feb 03, 2008, 08:50 PM // 20:50

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Originally Posted by Phoenix Tears

theoretically they aren't ..practically they are, due to the change of the weaopn changed also the damage power they have slightly.

Due to the change from axes to sword weilding now, those charrs deal now lesser max damage, but more than double of their previous average damage per hit and they attack with swords faster, than with axes.

6-28 , little bit slower ASPD then Swords with their 15-22... due to this charr are the Blade Storms now possible to dish out more average damage/minute, thus making them more dangerous against the Destroyers and i think ,thats the reason why they are now able to win also too the fight against them...

But I've 1 question: have you seen this change now more then once, do now ever win the charr ? or is the fight now more like a 50/50 Chance ?

Axes and Swords attack at the same rate. Having skills for a Sword, and wielding an Axe would decrease the damage. Damage (average) per second between Axe and Sword is minimal. If hitting criticals often, then the Axe would win, but not by that much.

Cherng Butter · Feb 03, 2008, 08:51 PM // 20:51

The Charr ALWAYS wiped the Destroyers when I've played that mission...HM though.

The Meth · Feb 03, 2008, 08:59 PM // 20:59

Actually, because AFAIK lvl 20+ enemies have vastly higher critical rates vs a player character then normal players, a HM charr with an axe probably has a non-negligible advantage over swords. Also, charr were able to use sword skills before with axes just fine, otherwise we wouldn't have seen them use skills at all and I sure saw hundred blades before.

Crom The Pale · Feb 03, 2008, 09:56 PM // 21:56

In hard mode the charr obliterate the destroyers....

In normal mode is seams to be a 50/50 split as to who will win each time I've done this mission.

Note* the bladestorms seam to use Riposte more often now, but that could just be my imagination.

Molock · Feb 03, 2008, 10:02 PM // 22:02

I wouldn't notice.. I have aegis up most of the time.

Numa Pompilius · Feb 03, 2008, 11:08 PM // 23:08

Yeah, did that mission in Hardmode yesterday, and the Charr slaughtered the Destroyers. One group of Charr was reduced to one survivor, but the other groups were completely untouched.

The Deldrimor dwarves should just pay the Charr to kill Destroyers...